{"id":20,"date":"2024-07-24T06:24:12","date_gmt":"2024-07-24T05:24:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cmsmondo.com\/english\/?p=20"},"modified":"2024-08-06T16:07:17","modified_gmt":"2024-08-06T15:07:17","slug":"episode-1-bob-dunn","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cmsmondo.com\/english\/episode-1-bob-dunn\/","title":{"rendered":"Episode 1 &#8211; Bob Dunn"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>We are honoured to have Bob Dunn as our first guest!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In our &#8220;Host the Host&#8221; series, we shine the spotlight on those who usually highlight others.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Welcome to Episode 1<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/YmA6xAPMFlM\" class=\"ek-link\">Watch on YouTube<\/a>, click the like button \ud83d\udc4d, subscribe to the channel, activate the bell \ud83d\udd14 and share the link \ud83d\udd17 to your social media! Thank you!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Bob Dunn - Episode 1 - English - WPMondo\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/YmA6xAPMFlM?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Description<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Welcome to the inaugural episode of WPMondo!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode, we sit down with Bob Dunn, also known as BobWP, a prominent figure in the WordPress community. Bob is the founder of the DotheWoo podcast network, where he shares his passion for WooCommerce and WordPress.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Join us for this insightful conversation as we explore BobWP&#8217;s vast experiences and his dedication to the WordPress community. Whether you&#8217;re a WordPress enthusiast, a podcast lover, or just curious about the WordPress world, this episode is packed with inspiration and practical advice. Tune in and get inspired by the stories and insights from one of the most influential voices in the WordPress community! \ud83c\udfa7<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\ud83d\udd17 Follow BobWP:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/DotheWoo.io\">DotheWoo Website<\/a><br>X\/Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/bobwp\">Bob<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/DotheWoo\">DotheWoo<\/a><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/bobwp\/\">LinkedIn<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\ud83d\udd17 Follow us:<br><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/YmA6xAPMFlM\">Youtube episode<\/a><br><a href=\"https:\/\/wptoots.social\/@wpmondo\">Mastodon<\/a><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/company\/wpmondo\">LinkedIn<\/a><br><a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/wpmondo\">X\/Twitter<\/a><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/WPMondo\/\">Facebook<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Highlights<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Introduction to BobWP: Learn about Bob\u2019s journey with WordPress since 2006 and his various roles in the community, from consulting and coaching to running workshops and podcasts.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Early Days of WordPress: Bob shares his initial experiences with WordPress, his transition from print design to web design, and his early struggles and triumphs.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Community Involvement: Dive into Bob&#8217;s first WordCamp experiences and how they shaped his approach to community building and networking.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Starting a Podcast: Bob talks about his journey into podcasting, the evolution of his shows, and the importance of finding your unique voice in the podcasting world.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Podcast Production Insights: Get valuable tips from Bob on podcast production, including the benefits of audio-only formats and the importance of making guests comfortable.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Language and Accessibility: We discuss the challenges and beauty of hosting multilingual podcasts and making content accessible to a global audience.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Future of WordPress: Bob shares his thoughts on the future of WordPress and the community, emphasizing the importance of continuous innovation and inclusivity.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Recorded on: 15 July 2024<br>Published on: 24 July 2024<br>Video tool: Wave.video<br>\u00a9 WPMondo<br>Music: Valdi Sabev &#8211; Endless Sky<br>Keyframe Audio license and clearance: Endless Sea<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Transcript<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-global-padding is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p>WEBVTT<br>Kind: captions<br>Language: en-US<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>00:00:33.238 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:37.878<br>Yes. Recording now.<br>So hello Bob<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:00:37.878 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:41.338<br>and thank you so much for<br>being here on WPMondo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:00:41.823 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:47.363<br>I&#8217;m so happy that you will be<br>the first ever person published<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:00:47.503 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:53.358<br>on our new WPMondo web show.<br>So, very welcome to you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:00:53.818 &#8211;&gt; 00:00:58.298<br>I&#8217;m so happy to have you because we<br>have known each other for a few years<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:00:58.538 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:02.243<br>in WordCamp and stuff, but there<br>are still a lot of things that<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:02.243 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:06.343<br>I&#8217;m happy to discover, and I will<br>let you introduce yourself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:06.803 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:11.268<br>Well, first, thank you. And, yeah, how<br>honored to be the very first guest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:11.268 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:14.948<br>I don&#8217;t I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ve ever been<br>a first guest on an actual podcast,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:14.948 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:17.508<br>so this is a first<br>for being a first.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:17.508 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:22.553<br>So, anyway, yeah, most<br>people know me as BobWP.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:22.933 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:28.088<br>I&#8217;ve been around a long time since<br>about 2006 doing WordPress,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:28.088 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:30.588<br>and I&#8217;ve done a lot of<br>different things in WordPress.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:31.048 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:35.493<br>And probably more things I<br>failed at than I succeeded at,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:35.653 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:37.653<br>but that&#8217;s kind of<br>how we do things.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:37.653 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:43.573<br>And, yeah, I currently, I run a channel<br>of podcasts called DotheWoo,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:43.573 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:48.408<br>and it&#8217;s a mix of, WooCommerce and<br>WordPress podcasts, quite a variety.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:49.108 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:52.388<br>And, yeah, that keeps me<br>pretty busy. So I&#8217;ve yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:52.388 &#8211;&gt; 00:01:55.923<br>I&#8217;ve just I have a a love for<br>the community and love for education.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:01:57.023 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:05.088<br>Yeah. Same. Okay. Actually, the focus<br>of this interview is, host the host.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:05.548 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:09.308<br>It means that people who usually<br>put the others in the light<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:09.308 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:10.753<br>on their shows that,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:11.153 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:16.113<br>that I think you all deserve to be<br>the one that is in the light today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:16.113 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:17.953<br>So that will be you,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:17.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:23.958<br>and we&#8217;ll have other famous persons<br>as podcasters or running web shows,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:24.578 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:29.063<br>and also in different languages. So this<br>one is in English. So that&#8217;s perfect.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:30.163 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:33.283<br>So maybe we&#8217;ll talk about your<br>podcast a little bit later and<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:33.283 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:38.528<br>first focus on you as a person<br>and whatever you have done in<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:38.528 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:42.708<br>the WordPress community and<br>in your life before that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:43.008 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:48.003<br>So maybe, you started helping<br>people, on WordPress,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:48.003 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:50.583<br>on working with<br>WordPress quite early.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:51.738 &#8211;&gt; 00:02:57.258<br>So tell me about the early<br>days, your beginning. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:02:57.258 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:01.563<br>So prior to WordPress, just<br>a kind of a short little history<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:01.563 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:05.563<br>is my wife and I, Judy, ran<br>a marketing company marketing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:05.563 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:07.503<br>design company for<br>seventeen years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:07.788 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:12.748<br>So we did print design for a long,<br>long time, moved into word oh,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:12.748 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:17.133<br>not WordPress, into the web because<br>I knew I had to know that,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:17.133 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:21.873<br>and I was I was more of a designer at<br>heart. So I went in very begrudgingly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:22.253 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:25.613<br>I wasn&#8217;t thrilled<br>about code and stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:25.613 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:28.548<br>So I was looking for<br>a way to get into it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:28.768 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:31.648<br>Came across WordPress in<br>2006 and started playing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:31.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:38.143<br>around with it and incorporated it<br>into my workflow and that business.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:38.443 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:41.263<br>But as I started doing that,<br>I got the itch for education.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:41.323 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:45.858<br>So that&#8217;s when I started doing<br>workshops and doing stuff around<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:45.858 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:50.598<br>WordPress because I found this new<br>product, this open source project,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:50.658 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:53.673<br>and thought, wow. People,<br>you know, this is great.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:53.673 &#8211;&gt; 00:03:57.433<br>You can actually do a nice<br>professional looking website,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:03:57.433 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:01.938<br>and you don&#8217;t really need to know how<br>to use code. So I dove into that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:01.938 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:06.178<br>And by 2010, I decided<br>to close the other business<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:06.178 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:09.263<br>and brand myself as BobWP<br>because I thought I&#8217;m just gonna<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:09.263 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:13.823<br>immerse myself in WordPress.<br>And for several years then,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:13.823 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:17.308<br>it was more around consulting,<br>coaching, and training.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:17.308 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:21.408<br>So I worked with a lot of beginners,<br>ran a lot of in person workshops.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:23.153 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:27.793<br>And, yeah, over the years, just I<br>got out of design at one point.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:27.793 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:31.253<br>I think that might have been<br>around 2014 or so.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:31.338 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:35.738<br>I just didn&#8217;t wanna do client work<br>anymore. I was enjoying my workshops.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:35.738 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:39.898<br>I was enjoying, well, client work in<br>the sense of one on one peep you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:39.898 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:44.343<br>not doing website builds. And,<br>yeah, that just blossomed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:44.563 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:48.073<br>And the more I got into it,<br>early on, I got into the community<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:48.313 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:50.738<br>because I was involved with<br>some local communities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:51.358 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:56.638<br>And once I think my very first<br>WordCamp was in, I&#8217;m gonna say,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:56.638 &#8211;&gt; 00:04:59.058<br>2010, I think,<br>in San Francisco.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:04:59.703 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:04.343<br>So I dove right into it right away,<br>and I wanted to start meeting people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:04.343 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:07.863<br>And it was a very different<br>feel from what I was used to in<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:07.863 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:10.968<br>conferences that I&#8217;ve gone to before,<br>and I thought, well, this is,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:10.968 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:14.648<br>you know, this is I like this.<br>I think I could get into this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:14.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:16.588<br>So I started going<br>to more WordCamps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:17.183 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:21.023<br>And, yeah, it just over time, I<br>did several different things.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:21.023 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:22.783<br>Like I said, I failed<br>at many things.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:22.783 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:26.938<br>I tried membership sites and video<br>sites and all sorts of stuff,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:26.938 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:31.358<br>and my motto is kind of, you know,<br>move on if something doesn&#8217;t work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:31.978 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:34.733<br>Don&#8217;t sit there and beat<br>it to death instead.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:34.793 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:38.153<br>You know, try something<br>different, find what works.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:38.153 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:43.908<br>And, yeah, that&#8217;s kind of the short of<br>a long history of how I got into it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:44.448 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:48.423<br>Yeah. And you are right. Every<br>non success is not a failure,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:48.423 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:52.983<br>is a lesson and to move<br>forward from yes. Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:52.983 &#8211;&gt; 00:05:57.803<br>So you you moved to WordPress quite early. You said 2006.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:05:59.098 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:03.198<br>Before that, what were<br>you using or doing?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:03.498 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:09.983<br>Man, I was using I believe it<br>was was a mix between Dreamweaver<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:10.523 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:15.218<br>and what was the other one?<br>I&#8217;m drawing a blank.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:15.218 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:19.698<br>It was go go something. Go.<br>It they were programs that you<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:19.698 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:21.558<br>would basically<br>build in HTML,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:21.618 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:26.493<br>and I was doing these horrible<br>sites with Flash for my own site.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:26.493 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:29.613<br>I I&#8217;ve had little letters<br>dropping in on the homepage,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:29.613 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:33.478<br>and then they&#8217;d scurry off, you know,<br>the oh, it was terrible thing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:33.478 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:36.178<br>Yeah. I remember the.<br>Got a Yeah. Flash days.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:36.638 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:41.253<br>And it was but it seems so cool, but<br>nothing ever really looked great.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:41.253 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:45.353<br>I could just never you know, it was<br>like and I think the you know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:45.653 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:50.398<br>Yeah. It was, GoLive. That was it.<br>Go Adobe GoLive and Dreamweaver.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:51.018 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:55.738<br>So I use those two for doing I did<br>some projects, actually paid projects,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:55.738 &#8211;&gt; 00:06:58.223<br>but I look back on those<br>sites and they were Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:06:58.303 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:01.283<br>You know, they were, yeah,<br>pretty bad, actually.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:01.663 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:05.443<br>What what I like to use<br>sometimes is the Wayback Machine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:06.088 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:09.448<br>Yeah. I did find one<br>and it had parts of it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:09.448 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:12.908<br>and that was enough to make me<br>remember the whole thing. So Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:13.743 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:19.843<br>Actually, there was a website<br>when I had my first, I mean,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:20.063 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:22.943<br>personal computer only<br>in 98 because before that,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:22.943 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:28.598<br>I was traveling the world, and it was<br>before the laptops were a thing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:29.138 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:35.193<br>And I discovered in 98<br>a site done in Flash.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:35.653 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:41.798<br>I can still remember the name if the guy<br>one day hear that. It was Tom Design.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:41.798 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:47.338<br>Tom Design maybe in German or maybe<br>.de or I&#8217;m not sure, maybe .com anyway.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:47.753 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:53.853<br>And it was a flash experiment<br>or artistic way where he copied<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:53.993 &#8211;&gt; 00:07:59.138<br>the like the theme or<br>the from a movie,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:07:59.918 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:01.518<br>I don&#8217;t remember<br>the name of the movie,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:01.518 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:03.778<br>but it was something<br>with Bruce Willis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:04.093 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:08.673<br>And he made these the same with the<br>same music with his own image images<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:09.213 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:14.348<br>So if that Tom, one<br>day, I loved that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:14.968 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:19.833<br>It was, yeah, it I say, oh, what we<br>can do now on the web. You know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:20.713 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:24.793<br>But okay. That was flash early days.<br>Yeah. And that&#8217;s what this was the thing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:24.793 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:29.538<br>It was so cool back then. It was<br>like, wow. I can make this happen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:29.538 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:31.858<br>Now we look at it, and<br>we kind of laugh at it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:31.858 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:34.118<br>But, you know, it&#8217;s<br>it was the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:35.138 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:37.463<br>So in 2006,<br>WordPress.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:38.723 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:42.903<br>So at that time, myself,<br>I discarded WordPress.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:43.283 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:47.568<br>I was auditing a few CMSs and I discarded it because it was not<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:47.738 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:53.498<br>multilingual, and I did need that. It&#8217;s, still<br>not, but well, it&#8217;s gonna come.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:54.833 &#8211;&gt; 00:08:57.473<br>And I came to WordPress<br>in 2012,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:08:57.473 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:00.193<br>but you you were there<br>already in 2006.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:00.193 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:03.573<br>So tell me about that<br>those early days.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:04.228 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:07.288<br>Did you have any struggle,<br>or what was, like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:07.348 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:10.948<br>scratching your head or something<br>to make things work,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:10.948 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:14.793<br>or was that all all okay? You<br>know, thinking back on it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:14.793 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:19.033<br>I think when I first got into it, I<br>just kinda poked at it. You know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:19.033 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:20.828<br>I mean, I just go<br>in and look at it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:20.828 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:23.888<br>It wasn&#8217;t quite and it was<br>a combination really of both,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:26.748 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:29.753<br>blogging and finding<br>a tool for my clients.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:29.813 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:32.933<br>Because my wife was,<br>shortly around that time,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:32.933 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:35.113<br>she got on Typepad and<br>started blogging.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:35.813 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:39.398<br>And she built up quite a successful<br>blog there and then moved<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:39.398 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:40.838<br>it over to WordPress<br>eventually.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:40.838 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:46.683<br>But for me, I spent probably a good<br>year or more just not really saying,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:46.683 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:50.043<br>okay. I&#8217;m committing to this,<br>but I&#8217;m starting to look at it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:50.043 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:55.328<br>So I didn&#8217;t really wanna<br>build anything right away.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:55.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:09:57.808<br>I just thought<br>this is intriguing,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:09:58.748 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:02.753<br>and it was a little bit more<br>of the blogging at first.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:02.753 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:07.713<br>And then as I got into it more<br>and more, I thought, wow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:07.713 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:10.468<br>Now I&#8217;m starting to see<br>these products come out,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:10.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:14.488<br>and I can&#8217;t remember what<br>year iTheme started. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:14.788 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:18.648<br>But that was around probably<br>2008, and I think WooThemes,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:18.788 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:21.153<br>all of them started, and I<br>started looking at them and we<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:21.153 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:24.293<br>bought one of their themes for<br>our own business website.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:25.153 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:28.693<br>And I put together you know,<br>it was a basic landing page,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:30.038 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:34.038<br>and it looked so good. It was, like,<br>better than anything I&#8217;d ever done,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:34.038 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:36.938<br>and I probably did it in, you<br>know, one tenth of the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:37.483 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:38.923<br>And that&#8217;s when I yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:38.923 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:45.003<br>So it was it was a slow thing for me,<br>but I knew I had to get into it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:45.003 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:47.938<br>And if I could kind of figure<br>out this tool and see how it<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:47.938 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:50.358<br>went over the next<br>twelve months or so,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:50.818 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:54.338<br>it started to develop into<br>something that would work for<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:54.338 &#8211;&gt; 00:10:58.403<br>my clients and then probably work, you<br>know, if I wanted to start blogging.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:10:58.403 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:01.943<br>And so I just you know,<br>from probably 2018<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:02.003 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:07.658<br>is when I released I mean, 2008<br>is when I really dove into it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:07.958 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:11.318<br>And then that&#8217;s couple years<br>later, I just said, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:11.318 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:14.353<br>this is it. This is the change<br>I&#8217;m gonna make, the big pivot.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:14.833 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:15.348<br>Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:15.348 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:18.313<br>And you mentioned earlier<br>that you have been,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:18.473 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:21.773<br>to that early WordCamp<br>in San Francisco.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:22.228 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:25.348<br>Because, remind me, you are from<br>the US. Right? Right. Right.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:25.348 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:29.368<br>The, West Coast. So it wasn&#8217;t<br>it was a close one or fairly<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:29.428 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:32.713<br>close because I met in<br>the northwest. Okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:33.093 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:36.713<br>So what did you discover there<br>in WordCamp San Francisco?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:37.093 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:42.038<br>You know, it was a little bit what I<br>said was, and to elaborate on it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:42.118 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:45.238<br>I think it was just the feel<br>of the conference.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:45.238 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:49.098<br>I was used to go into very<br>large blogging conferences with<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:49.823 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:53.183<br>thousands and thousands of people,<br>and it was more the, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:53.183 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:54.863<br>standard conference,<br>I wanna say.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:54.863 &#8211;&gt; 00:11:57.203<br>You know, you you meet<br>people, hand cards.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:11:57.708 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:02.348<br>And looking back on it,<br>sometimes I wish I could remember<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:02.348 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:07.363<br>more of the actual experience, but<br>it seems so it seemed different,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:07.903 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:12.403<br>but it seemed like a more<br>of a big networking event.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:12.703 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:16.438<br>I mean, it just the way I&#8217;m<br>you were able to meet people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:16.438 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:21.738<br>The people were more, even back<br>then, open for conversation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:22.038 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:25.313<br>It wasn&#8217;t like the first thing<br>you did was exchange business<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:25.313 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:28.673<br>cards when you met somebody. You<br>would actually probably learn<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:28.673 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:32.833<br>a little bit about them, and I think that&#8217;s<br>it was kind of a shock at first,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:32.833 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:38.578<br>but there was also an online<br>what kind of set me in motion<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:38.578 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:41.378<br>for this was and I won&#8217;t<br>spend a lot of time on it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:41.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:49.153<br>There was an online, called Biznik,<br>and it was localized in the US,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:49.293 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:52.753<br>but it kinda did worldwide.<br>And it was an online in person<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:53.678 &#8211;&gt; 00:12:58.978<br>kinda meetup type of a,<br>a startup this couple did.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:12:59.118 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:01.278<br>So you would meet<br>people online,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:01.278 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:05.303<br>but you&#8217;d also do local workshops<br>and local networking events.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:05.303 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:09.863<br>So I was already getting in that<br>feel at the same time of a more<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:09.863 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:12.388<br>community oriented rather<br>than just, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:12.388 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:14.968<br>going to a business conference<br>and dealing with that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:15.028 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:20.973<br>So it wasn&#8217;t it was still different<br>enough, but it was an easy migration,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:21.033 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:25.353<br>I say I&#8217;d say because it was more<br>what I realized is even after<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:25.353 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:30.178<br>being in business as long as I was,<br>that it fit my personality more,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:30.178 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:34.518<br>a WordCamp, than a normal<br>business conference would. Okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:35.058 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:41.683<br>I know that there were conferences<br>like, NSW something Southwest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:42.543 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:45.538<br>Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know. Yep. I<br>know what you&#8217;re talking about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:45.538 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:49.658<br>The, Those are the kind you say<br>that are big and Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:49.778 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:53.513<br>Business first. I mean Yeah. And I<br>met some of the first people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:53.513 &#8211;&gt; 00:13:59.293<br>I went to a conference about several<br>times, spoke at it called Blog World,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:13:59.558 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:02.438<br>and it was this huge, huge<br>conference of bloggers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:02.438 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:06.518<br>And, actually, that was where<br>very first time I met Syed from<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:06.518 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:08.538<br>AwesomeMotive was there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:08.678 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:13.943<br>And so I kind of got into<br>the blogging space initially and<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:13.943 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:16.523<br>got to know more of that<br>on the bigger picture,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:16.798 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:21.778<br>but then a WordCamp was more<br>localized and a totally different feel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:22.638 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:27.453<br>Yeah. Okay. Okay. I went in<br>the US to a conference that was,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:27.693 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:33.048<br>more about, like, marketers and<br>course creators, content creators,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:33.108 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:37.748<br>bloggers as well. It was that conference<br>by Chris Guillebeau called,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:37.988 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:41.203<br>World Domination Summit.<br>Oh, I&#8217;ve heard that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:41.583 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:44.943<br>Well, the name is a bit<br>domination is a bit strange to me,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:44.943 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:49.283<br>but the rest you know, Chris Guillebeau<br>is The Art of Non-Conformity author.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:49.868 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:51.888<br>And there was a lot<br>of people there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:53.388 &#8211;&gt; 00:14:58.553<br>Yeah, you can I mean, it was more like<br>the not the technical part of things,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:14:58.553 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:01.213<br>but the content part of<br>of things, I guess?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:01.673 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:05.563<br>But, yeah, I still have friends<br>that we still talk to each other<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:05.848 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:11.478<br>from that year. I went in<br>2013 only one time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:11.778 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:14.553<br>And it was even (before) I attended my<br>first WordCamp, actually,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:14.633 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:18.733<br>because my first ever WordCamp was<br>2013 in October in<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:18.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:23.103<br>at WordCamp Europe in<br>Leiden in the Netherlands.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:23.273 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:29.528<br>So, yeah, it&#8217;s, it&#8217;s I came much<br>later to that game. Exactly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:29.688 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:33.583<br>Than you. Yeah. And WordCamp<br>San Francisco, was, like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:33.583 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:38.863<br>the ancestor of WordCamp US. Right?<br>Yeah. Yeah. It was. What became Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:38.863 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:42.528<br>I think I went to a couple of<br>them early on, and then I think,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:44.848 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:48.208<br>Seattle, which is where I was<br>closely located, and then,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:48.528 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:53.543<br>Chicago was another early one I went to<br>and stuff. And I just got the bug.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:53.543 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:56.023<br>I wasn&#8217;t going, you know,<br>up to a lot of them,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:56.023 &#8211;&gt; 00:15:59.143<br>but I was going to enough of<br>them to start to get more and<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:15:59.143 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:08.028<br>more into the community. Yeah. Yes.<br>I realized that I will cut that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:08.028 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:10.953<br>I realized that the the background<br>is not was not correct.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:12.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:15.273<br>Anyway, it&#8217;s okay. It&#8217;s from<br>the tool, but it&#8217;s okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:15.273 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:19.693<br>Maybe I leave even that in<br>the in the show. Yeah. Okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:20.338 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:25.938<br>So I guess one of the things at<br>WordCamp be is that it&#8217;s very<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:25.938 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:27.778<br>easy to meet people<br>and make friends,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:27.778 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:32.123<br>and I can say I have friends from<br>so many parts of the world now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:32.123 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:36.123<br>Thanks to that. Was that the same<br>feeling in the in the beginning<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:36.123 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:39.578<br>in the US as well?<br>You had a lot of people coming<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:39.578 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:45.358<br>from other countries, or was it<br>more, like, American centric?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:45.683 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:51.043<br>I think it was more local because<br>it was still that local.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:51.043 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:53.683<br>You know, I mean, I think in<br>the early years, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:53.683 &#8211;&gt; 00:16:58.808<br>when you go to Chicago, there&#8217;d<br>be some people that would, yeah,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:16:58.808 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:03.873<br>fly in, but, typically, they would<br>fly in from other parts of the US.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:03.873 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:07.713<br>So there wasn&#8217;t quite<br>the, you know yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:07.713 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:11.153<br>It was probably even back then,<br>it was a factor of, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:11.153 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:15.728<br>do you want to use those kind<br>of resources to go that far for<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:15.948 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:19.628<br>a small WordCamp and<br>didn&#8217;t really, I think,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:19.628 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:22.763<br>start touching on that till we<br>started doing the flagships or<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:22.763 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:25.823<br>at least the US started<br>it, you know, and and,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:26.283 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:31.578<br>Europe and maybe started<br>attracting more from around the world<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:31.578 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:35.758<br>versus the local camp. So it was,<br>yeah, it was very US centric.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:36.458 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:40.033<br>Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But that&#8217;s Makes<br>sense. That&#8217;s what you yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:40.033 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:46.488<br>It makes sense. Yeah. And then you<br>moved to Europe. That&#8217;s recent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:46.488 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:50.248<br>Right? Yeah. That was<br>a little over a year ago.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:50.248 &#8211;&gt; 00:17:58.203<br>It&#8217;s, it was, March of last year. So<br>or was it no. It&#8217;s actually it wait.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:17:58.203 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:02.188<br>Now let me think about that. Is it<br>actually no. It&#8217;s actually two years now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:02.188 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:06.428<br>In 2022? Two years. Right<br>after WordCamp Europe in Porto?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:06.428 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:10.853<br>Right? Yeah. It was it&#8217;s been about<br>a year and a half. Not quite.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:10.853 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:14.828<br>Well Yeah. Not quite.<br>Okay. So until that,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:14.828 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:18.188<br>you were in the US because<br>I had a maybe I&#8217;m wrong.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:18.188 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:22.368<br>I had a feeling that you were in<br>already in Europe before that,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:22.668 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:27.813<br>but no. No. No. Yeah. It was,<br>it was WordCamp Porto. Okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:28.273 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:31.998<br>WordCamp Europe in Porto, not<br>WordCamp Porto. I should say.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:32.218 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:37.578<br>That was, so that was three<br>WordCamps ago. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:37.578 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:41.403<br>That was the one that that was<br>actually my first time in Europe too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:41.403 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:47.023<br>So, it and that&#8217;s what kind of set<br>the ball rolling to move us to here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:47.803 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:53.108<br>Yes. And that&#8217;s when I met you.<br>Exactly. Yep. At the picnic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:53.108 &#8211;&gt; 00:18:57.828<br>Right? Yeah. Right. Right.<br>Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:18:57.828 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:03.523<br>So in between, what made<br>you start, podcasts?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:04.143 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:06.303<br>And not only<br>continuing on, like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:06.303 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:10.408<br>your client work or design work<br>or website development, but,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:10.808 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:14.888<br>thinking now I&#8217;m going to<br>host a podcast. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:14.888 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:19.233<br>I think it was so it was<br>in 2014.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:20.013 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:23.773<br>I&#8217;d had early on in the around<br>2010, 2011,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:23.773 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:28.728<br>I had several people I knew because I<br>was so much into content and blogging.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:28.728 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:33.548<br>They said, oh, you should do<br>a podcast. And I&#8217;m like, really?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:33.913 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:35.833<br>And they said, yeah. You<br>have the voice for it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:35.833 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:38.793<br>which isn&#8217;t the only reason<br>you should do a podcast.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:38.793 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:42.073<br>So I told them, well, maybe you<br>think I have the voice for it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:42.073 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:45.508<br>but I also need to have the time<br>and the resources and all that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:45.508 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:48.708<br>So I didn&#8217;t go into it right<br>away when people are trying to<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:48.708 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:52.663<br>push it in push me into it.<br>And I decided in 2014<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:52.663 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:54.393<br>to try<br>a little podcast,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:54.393 &#8211;&gt; 00:19:57.693<br>and I started doing it<br>a couple times a month.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:19:57.903 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:02.408<br>And it was called WordPress breakdown. And it was really<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:03.078 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:05.978<br>It was okay. I did it for<br>about a year,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:05.978 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:10.603<br>and it was like a fifteen minute<br>podcast where I talk about<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:10.603 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:13.103<br>a plugin or talk about<br>a couple of plugins.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:13.243 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:17.343<br>And I realized after about a year<br>that I was basically doing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:17.938 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:21.458<br>what I was doing in my blog<br>post. It wasn&#8217;t unique enough.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:21.458 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:24.818<br>And so I said, well, I&#8217;m gonna<br>put it aside and wait till this<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:24.818 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:29.373<br>idea comes to mind. And that<br>took about two more years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:29.373 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:31.953<br>I just I wasn&#8217;t<br>gonna rush into it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:32.253 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:35.373<br>I felt like I<br>wanted to do it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:35.373 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:37.538<br>but I wanted to make sure I<br>was doing the right thing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:37.538 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:42.998<br>So I started in 2016.<br>I actually started to DotheWoo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:43.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:46.433<br>But then a few<br>months into it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:46.433 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:50.453<br>I changed it to a show called<br>the WP ecommerce show.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:51.393 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:54.658<br>And did that for<br>about three years,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:54.658 &#8211;&gt; 00:20:58.518<br>which was more of a generalized<br>ecommerce in the WordPress space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:20:59.218 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:03.238<br>Switched it back to DotheWoo<br>or restarted DotheWoo again<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:03.683 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:08.643<br>in 2018 and eventually<br>stopped the other<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:08.643 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:12.128<br>one as well as I&#8217;d done<br>about, oh, about five,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:12.128 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:14.468<br>six other little<br>podcasts I had started.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:14.768 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:19.188<br>And some of those lasted as long as<br>two weeks and to maybe, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:19.673 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:23.033<br>a few months or something, and they<br>just kind of weren&#8217;t the thing,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:23.033 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:25.513<br>so I&#8217;d stop them.<br>But it was, yeah,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:25.513 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:30.448<br>it was something that I found<br>that I enjoyed doing, But,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:31.168 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:36.528<br>I shortly after I started<br>to DotheWoo again,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:36.528 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:41.893<br>I realized that I just didn&#8217;t<br>wanna be the only host.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:41.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:44.433<br>You know, dude, I&#8217;d been<br>that a while and stuff,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:44.433 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:46.693<br>and I decided that<br>I needed to start,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:47.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:50.038<br>branching out and thinking of<br>different ways to do that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:50.258 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:53.798<br>And so that&#8217;s kind of how things<br>have led to where we are today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:54.673 &#8211;&gt; 00:21:58.193<br>Yeah. It has grown a lot,<br>and you have a lot of different<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:21:58.193 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:02.468<br>hosts on your show that host<br>themselves, other people,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:02.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:04.648<br>and I like that very much.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:06.228 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:11.103<br>I would like the same here on WPMondo<br>but in other languages because,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:11.263 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:15.203<br>languages is a topic<br>I&#8217;m passionate about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:16.063 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:19.238<br>So imagine I have someone<br>in, I don&#8217;t know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:19.238 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:23.318<br>in Hindi interviewing people in Hindi<br>about WordPress, someone in<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:23.878 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:28.723<br>Filipino, interviewing people in<br>Filipino, other in Portuguese,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:30.703 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:33.618<br>Portuguese do Brasil.<br>Yeah. You know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:33.698 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:36.578<br>And that that would be great<br>because there are so many people<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:36.578 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:38.838<br>who don&#8217;t speak English,<br>actually, in the world and,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:39.698 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:45.403<br>or not under understanding enough,<br>to follow a conversation,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:46.343 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:49.988<br>especially, for me, sometimes<br>it&#8217;s difficult another language.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:49.988 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:51.988<br>Not English anymore not<br>in English anymore,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:51.988 &#8211;&gt; 00:22:55.528<br>but in another language<br>that I&#8217;m trying to learn.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:22:55.908 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:00.373<br>Audio only is more difficult than,<br>with video because with video,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:00.373 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:03.253<br>you can see the expression<br>on the face.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:03.653 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:07.348<br>And that was a topic I wanted<br>to ask you about because I<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:07.348 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:12.008<br>know that your choice was to<br>do it audio only, not video.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:12.068 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:17.513<br>And you told me once why, so<br>maybe you can tell here why,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:17.973 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:20.373<br>for the followers. Yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:21.093 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:25.078<br>I&#8217;ve had several people try<br>to convince me to do this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:25.078 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:27.158<br>And so when I started it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:27.158 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:34.453<br>it was I come from the my<br>age and youth is around radio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:34.513 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:39.973<br>So I loved radio, and it&#8217;s<br>kind of what I was brought up on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:40.168 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:43.048<br>And there was something about<br>audio that just intrigued me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:43.048 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:45.868<br>So when I got it, that&#8217;s one of<br>the reasons I got into podcasting<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:46.008 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:50.823<br>was it was audio only<br>and or not only,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:50.823 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:53.643<br>but that&#8217;s what most people<br>were doing when I started it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:53.703 &#8211;&gt; 00:23:58.443<br>Then I think it&#8217;s there<br>are several reasons that I&#8217;ve<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:23:58.503 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:03.678<br>decided not to do it, and<br>I get what people say.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:03.678 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:06.658<br>And I understand, you know,<br>both the, visualization.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:07.118 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:10.573<br>I know people I mean,<br>I&#8217;m you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:10.573 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:14.063<br>everybody has a different way of learning and absorbing content<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:14.143 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:15.873<br>and stuff, some visually,<br>some auditorial.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:16.178 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:19.238<br>You know, it they have<br>a strength in one or the other.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:20.258 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:27.563<br>But what one of the things I<br>found is that it made it a little<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:27.563 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:31.083<br>bit more accessible, and especially<br>as I was growing the numbers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:31.083 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:34.438<br>So if you&#8217;re, you know, if you&#8217;re<br>doing a podcast maybe once<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:34.438 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:39.958<br>a week or once every two weeks, I mean<br>it&#8217;s a little easier production wise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:39.958 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:43.203<br>Of course, there&#8217;s a lot of challenges.<br>I&#8217;m not gonna get into that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:43.503 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:49.043<br>It&#8217;s a lot easier to obviously<br>edit, audio than video and audio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:49.548 &#8211;&gt; 00:24:55.088<br>But I realized that as I asked more<br>and more people to the podcast<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:24:55.388 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:00.653<br>that there probably wouldn&#8217;t have<br>been quite as many that said<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:00.653 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:03.933<br>yes if I&#8217;d said it was video.<br>And I didn&#8217;t wanna do a mix.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:03.933 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:08.038<br>I didn&#8217;t wanna say, okay. Some of them<br>will be video. Some will be audio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:08.578 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:12.978<br>And it was maybe a reason of they<br>felt they didn&#8217;t have the<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:13.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:17.033<br>proper equipment, the bandwidth<br>where they live. You know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:17.033 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:19.113<br>We know the challenges<br>of everybody around.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:19.113 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:23.478<br>And I really feel that I you<br>know, where we are right now,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:23.478 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:27.558<br>I think I&#8217;m we&#8217;ve had, like,<br>four hundred and some guests.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:27.558 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:29.958<br>I would say probably fifty<br>percent of those guests wouldn&#8217;t<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:29.958 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:33.333<br>have been on if it<br>had been video.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:33.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:38.753<br>And that&#8217;s not saying nobody should do<br>video or not do video because of that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:38.753 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:47.878<br>It was just the number of shows<br>I was doing and how I wanted<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:47.878 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:49.978<br>to make it as easy<br>as possible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:50.143 &#8211;&gt; 00:25:54.863<br>So when I get people on the show, you<br>know, there&#8217;s a lot of times they&#8217;re,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:25:56.303 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:00.208<br>they maybe need to start over or<br>they would have been very you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:00.208 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:03.328<br>even culturally, there&#8217;s been<br>some issues where it would have<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:03.328 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:07.353<br>been very difficult for them<br>to do it visually and stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:07.353 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:11.913<br>So there&#8217;s that&#8217;s<br>really a big part of it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:11.913 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:14.393<br>And I don&#8217;t wanna kinda<br>do a mix, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:14.393 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:17.428<br>do some that are audio and<br>some of that are videos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:17.428 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:19.908<br>So I&#8217;ve just chosen to<br>go that direction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:19.908 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:23.748<br>And I know you, you know, you<br>can always get a maybe a bigger<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:23.748 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:27.333<br>audience with video because<br>you&#8217;ve got, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:27.333 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:30.293<br>YouTube and people are<br>gonna watch it and stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:30.293 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:33.878<br>But it&#8217;s worked for me<br>and I kinda stick to my guns,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:33.878 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:36.218<br>and some people get<br>very, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:36.278 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:40.403<br>passionate with me trying to change<br>my mind. But It&#8217;s not my intention.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:40.403 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:44.010<br>No. I know you aren&#8217;t.<br>There&#8217;s other people, though.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:44.264 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:47.573<br>To each their own, and I think if<br>this is the model that&#8217;s that<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:47.603 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:50.008<br>is a success for you.<br>And you&#8217;re right.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:50.008 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:51.788<br>I mean, some<br>people would not,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:52.168 &#8211;&gt; 00:26:57.083<br>want to appear on video and would<br>not have maybe come to your show,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:26:57.303 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:00.423<br>to your podcast. Even me,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:00.423 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:03.543<br>the first time you asked me<br>to say something like five<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:03.543 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:07.238<br>minutes on a I think it was a feedback<br>on a WordCamp or something like that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:08.258 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:12.118<br>I the first thing I ask is<br>is it video or audio only?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:12.663 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:15.163<br>Because, you know, I<br>don&#8217;t need to, like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:15.303 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:18.523<br>make my hair or makeup or I don&#8217;t<br>know. I keep in my pajama.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:20.058 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:24.378<br>You know? Exactly. Yeah. I have<br>a lot of people that, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:24.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:28.478<br>they&#8217;ll ask me and and they&#8217;ll do<br>a kind of a heavy sigh of relief like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:28.833 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:31.873<br>right? You know, I don&#8217;t<br>have to be on or whatever.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:31.873 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:35.073<br>But, again, like you said,<br>it&#8217;s it fits my model.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:35.073 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:38.318<br>And when people ask me about<br>anything about podcasting and<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:38.318 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:41.918<br>starting a podcast, they say,<br>what preference do you think?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:41.918 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:45.378<br>Video or audio? And I say,<br>you&#8217;ve gotta make that decision.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:45.663 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:49.923<br>It&#8217;s all based on you. It&#8217;s not<br>based on what others are doing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:50.463 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:53.988<br>And I&#8217;m very happy that you are you,<br>yourself, OK to be on video.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:53.988 &#8211;&gt; 00:27:56.528<br>Yeah. Yeah. I will be.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:27:56.708 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:00.678<br>And I like the cap.<br>Yeah, thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:03.993 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:09.688<br>Did over five hundred people that<br>you had, as guests, did you have,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:10.248 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:14.028<br>sometimes a struggle or something<br>that you had to, I mean,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:14.968 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:19.873<br>delete or not publish of controversial<br>topic or stuff like that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:20.253 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:27.648<br>You know, there&#8217;s, you know, some<br>struggles have been with, yeah,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:27.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:32.068<br>there&#8217;s been heavy editing on some<br>because the people or the person,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:32.983 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:35.863<br>whether it&#8217;s one or more, were<br>very nervous and maybe they<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:35.863 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:39.143<br>had to start over several times. You<br>know? So there&#8217;s extra editing there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:39.143 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:41.988<br>As far as the content,<br>most of the time,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:42.148 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:46.468<br>there&#8217;s very little time I have<br>to delete something because I<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:46.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:28:51.463<br>think people that come on know<br>me and know the show enough.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:28:51.463 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:01.448<br>I&#8217;m a very I was recently<br>noted that I never, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:01.448 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:06.328<br>questioned or challenged anything<br>about the software or the community.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:06.328 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:10.153<br>And I told the person that<br>that&#8217;s not necessarily something<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:10.153 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:12.893<br>I&#8217;m doing for anybody else.<br>That&#8217;s just my personality.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:13.113 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:16.953<br>That&#8217;s how I&#8217;ve always been. I&#8217;ve been<br>a fairly awesome optimistic person.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:16.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:24.298<br>So but there has been a few times I&#8217;ve<br>told people afterwards that I may like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:24.298 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:28.358<br>if they bash a product, you know<br>they can kind of say<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:28.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:34.153<br>constructive criticism<br>about a certain kind of product,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:34.283 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:37.223<br>but I don&#8217;t like<br>bashing brand names.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:37.598 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:40.958<br>So I&#8217;ve had to edit out a few<br>things like that and stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:40.958 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:43.618<br>But then there&#8217;s also it&#8217;s<br>it&#8217;s very interesting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:44.078 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:51.313<br>I did a podcast once, and the,<br>person dropped the F-bomb a lot,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:51.773 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:55.018<br>which was a little you know, I<br>don&#8217;t tell them they can&#8217;t do it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:55.258 &#8211;&gt; 00:29:57.678<br>but it was a it was a different<br>kind of conversation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:29:57.818 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:01.438<br>And it, actually, he didn&#8217;t<br>do it in the, like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:01.738 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:05.413<br>so much that he was just doing<br>it to, you know, be whatever.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:05.873 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:08.213<br>It was just part of<br>his personality,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:08.433 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:12.453<br>and I actually left in quite a bit<br>of it because it didn&#8217;t make sense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:12.498 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:15.138<br>If I would have edited it out,<br>it would have lost something.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:15.138 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:17.878<br>And he wasn&#8217;t doing it in<br>a rude kind of way either.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:18.418 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:22.333<br>So there&#8217;s not aggressive, but it&#8217;s<br>more his own style of speaking.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:22.333 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:26.093<br>Yeah. Just the way he<br>communicates. And so it&#8217;s yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:26.093 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:29.048<br>You gotta kind of<br>make a call on it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:29.128 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:31.688<br>And, you know, there&#8217;s gonna be<br>times I&#8217;ve never had to tell<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:31.688 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:36.488<br>nobody that this isn&#8217;t going out, so I&#8217;ve<br>never had to not publish something.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:36.488 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:43.583<br>I&#8217;ve had to one builder, plugin builder<br>was extremely, extremely nervous,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:43.583 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:49.488<br>and so he was reading his answers.<br>And he would just keep starting over.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:49.488 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:52.208<br>And I actually felt very bad<br>for him because, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:52.208 &#8211;&gt; 00:30:55.088<br>he was just he wasn&#8217;t<br>comfortable doing it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:30:55.088 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:00.293<br>So I edited as best as I could and<br>made it sound as good as possible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:00.293 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:06.578<br>But I do let people know at<br>the beginning that I ask them,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:06.578 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:09.858<br>you know, if there&#8217;s anything<br>we don&#8217;t wanna talk about or<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:09.858 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:11.618<br>something you don&#8217;t<br>want us to address.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:11.618 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:14.883<br>And if there is<br>anything, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:14.883 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:17.923<br>I&#8217;m glad to take it out if you&#8217;ve<br>said something that you feel<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:17.923 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:20.963<br>like you shouldn&#8217;t have said. So<br>I&#8217;m pretty flexible. But.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:22.348 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:24.988<br>And by the way, it&#8217;s the same<br>here for me. Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:24.988 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:28.268<br>I was I was gonna mention some<br>about that, but I didn&#8217;t know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:28.268 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:33.753<br>But you&#8217;re yes. You&#8217;re Yeah. I can edit,<br>but I think it&#8217;s pretty good so far.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:33.753 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:36.633<br>So Yeah. I don&#8217;t think I<br>will need to edit a lot,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:36.633 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:38.368<br>but just if there is<br>something, like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:38.448 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:41.488<br>suddenly you realize you have said<br>something about someone and say,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:41.488 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:44.628<br>oh, no. Maybe it should not be there.<br>So Yeah. Something like this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:45.328 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:48.353<br>And I&#8217;m not very high on<br>equipment. You know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:48.353 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:50.993<br>I&#8217;m using an online<br>tool that,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:51.553 &#8211;&gt; 00:31:57.093<br>does at the same time the streaming<br>or recording and, a studio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:31:57.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:02.108<br>I was lucky enough to buy it,<br>when it was a lifetime deal and Oh,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:02.108 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:03.568<br>good. Very, really good.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:04.028 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:10.213<br>You may have seen the background<br>if I before twenty minutes in,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:10.213 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:13.988<br>I forgot to change the background<br>and we could see the name.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:14.388 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:18.228<br>And I like it very much. I I believe<br>it&#8217;s the same that is used by,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:18.868 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:23.743<br>Nathan on WPBuilds. Because<br>I recognize the, like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:23.743 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:27.423<br>the branding of the names.<br>You know? Exactly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:27.423 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:29.743<br>Anyway, so I think<br>it&#8217;s a very good one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:29.743 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:35.758<br>And even though I do not have that<br>great equipment with my laptop,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:37.098 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:38.298<br>it works well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:38.298 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:42.638<br>I sometimes have issue with<br>Zoom calls and other calls,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:43.163 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:48.683<br>But so far on this one, it just<br>works. So that&#8217;s good.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:48.683 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:53.538<br>But I was going to ask you<br>about your, like, tech stack.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:53.538 &#8211;&gt; 00:32:59.138<br>Maybe you, I mean, you need to<br>have equipment and you need to have,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:32:59.138 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:02.073<br>like, skills how to edit<br>and stuff like that,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:02.073 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:05.613<br>or it becomes easier and<br>easier year after year,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:05.993 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:09.353<br>thanks to thanks to<br>new tools that exist?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:09.353 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:13.208<br>And what do you<br>think about it? Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:13.208 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:16.248<br>I think it&#8217;s, you know, it&#8217;s<br>it&#8217;s like when anybody starts,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:16.248 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:20.303<br>they get stressed out. And you know, do<br>I need to buy an expensive microphone?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:20.303 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:23.583<br>I mean, you start with<br>the microphone and you start looking<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:23.583 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:28.058<br>at tools and whether you&#8217;re streaming<br>or, you know, video or audio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:28.758 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:32.913<br>And, you know, I think<br>it&#8217;s important.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:33.133 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:35.473<br>I&#8217;m not quite like<br>most podcasters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:35.773 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:40.878<br>I don&#8217;t just, you know, ram it down<br>people&#8217;s throat that, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:40.878 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:42.578<br>make sure you<br>have good sound.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:42.638 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:46.318<br>You&#8217;re going to if you&#8217;re gonna start<br>a podcast, you&#8217;re gonna find over time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:46.318 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:48.503<br>I mean, I&#8217;ve gone through<br>several microphones.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:48.643 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:53.523<br>I&#8217;ve gone through several services that<br>worked and stuff. You just gotta yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:53.523 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:56.978<br>Like you said, you learn<br>it over time. It&#8217;s you know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:57.138 &#8211;&gt; 00:33:58.418<br>You&#8217;re still gonna<br>make mistakes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:33:58.418 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:01.778<br>I remember one time I did<br>an entire half of a podcast.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:01.778 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:05.803<br>I forgot I push didn&#8217;t push record,<br>and I was so embarrassed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:05.803 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:08.843<br>It was this, yeah. And<br>it was very you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:08.843 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:13.408<br>she was this woman that was do<br>had an ecommerce business in,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:13.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:17.488<br>I believe it was Uganda,<br>and I just felt horrible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:17.488 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:19.648<br>And she was you know, I said<br>I stopped, and I said,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:19.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:22.388<br>do you realize I haven&#8217;t<br>recorded any of this?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:22.863 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:26.223<br>And I just, you know,<br>hung my head.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:26.223 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:30.723<br>But, you know, things happen, and<br>I think that you&#8217;re going to,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:31.023 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:35.028<br>you know, yeah, you&#8217;re gonna find<br>the equipment that works well for you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:35.028 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:38.648<br>I have a I use, yeah,<br>an audio platform.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:38.868 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:43.573<br>I use I still use GarageBand,<br>actually, on my Mac for some stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:43.573 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:46.233<br>I use Descript, which<br>a lot of people use.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:47.013 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:51.588<br>I use, Rev for my,<br>transcripts,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:51.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:34:57.093<br>and I use I&#8217;ve been using ChatGPT<br>to help clean up the transcripts<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:34:57.093 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:01.333<br>even a little bit better after<br>that. So you find your yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:01.333 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:02.968<br>You find your<br>workflows and stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:03.848 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:08.028<br>And I think there&#8217;s in fact, I<br>was just talking to somebody that&#8217;s,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:09.768 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:13.133<br>doing a very interesting tool<br>that&#8217;s going to help podcasters<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:13.433 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:16.953<br>with questions and stuff.<br>I think it uses AI,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:16.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:22.688<br>but it actually looks at other<br>interviews that person has had<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:22.688 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:25.008<br>so you can see what<br>they&#8217;ve talked about,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:25.008 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:27.488<br>maybe find new topics to<br>talk with them about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:27.488 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:30.213<br>So it&#8217;s, yeah, it&#8217;s it&#8217;s<br>progressing, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:30.213 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:34.533<br>and there&#8217;s all sorts of things out there<br>that but I just tell people don&#8217;t,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:34.533 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:37.778<br>you know, don&#8217;t invest<br>tons and tons of money.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:37.778 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:40.998<br>You can do that over time<br>and find what you need.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:42.258 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:43.858<br>When you said you<br>forgot to record,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:43.858 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:46.993<br>I just had a quick look in<br>the corner of the Yeah. Doesn&#8217;t it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:46.993 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:50.933<br>Now you&#8217;re it makes you feel, it<br>it was it was a terrible thing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:51.233 &#8211;&gt; 00:35:55.498<br>Yeah. It&#8217;s written recording<br>thirty six minutes. Yeah. Good.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:35:55.678 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:03.353<br>Yeah. And for the, like,<br>Descript, actually,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:03.353 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:05.753<br>this service is included<br>in that tool that I have.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:05.753 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:10.953<br>So I will see I know there is still<br>a lot to edit, especially when we say,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:12.078 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:16.658<br>person&#8217;s names because, obviously,<br>it can&#8217;t guess everyone&#8217;s names.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:17.518 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:21.493<br>And also sometimes, I guess, with<br>accent because with my French accent,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:21.493 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:23.993<br>it might not recognize<br>all the English words.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:24.373 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:28.453<br>So I will see how it works<br>for our one, and I want to edit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:28.453 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:31.928<br>If not, at least for the for people&#8217;s<br>name, I think it&#8217;s important.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:31.928 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:35.608<br>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I was<br>interviewed I was in a conversation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:35.608 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:40.313<br>with Remkus on Within WordPress,<br>and all the names were wrong,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:40.313 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:46.413<br>but sometimes it was like a Kier,<br>h k l, you know? Yeah. Exactly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:46.473 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:50.648<br>I need to we need to<br>edit it because Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:50.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:55.068<br>I tried to look at to go through<br>and visually find names, brand,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:55.433 &#8211;&gt; 00:36:57.613<br>company names, things<br>that you know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:36:57.833 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:00.713<br>And sometimes it&#8217;s still<br>things slip by and stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:00.713 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:04.568<br>But, yeah, it&#8217;s I used to<br>pay for human transcripts,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:04.948 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:07.828<br>which was wonderful because<br>they were really done well,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:07.828 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:09.908<br>but they&#8217;re very<br>expensive too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:09.908 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:12.933<br>So that&#8217;s not realistic<br>for a lot of people,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:12.993 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:15.493<br>and it became unrealistic<br>for me even.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:17.713 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:21.428<br>Another question, and that&#8217;s<br>actually even interesting for me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:21.728 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:25.328<br>Do you have any advice for<br>anyone who want to start now?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:25.328 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:30.123<br>A podcast or a web show like this<br>in video? You know, I okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:30.123 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:33.323<br>This is this is really, this<br>is something I&#8217;ve been saying<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:33.323 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:35.503<br>for years and I<br>use this analogy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:36.523 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:43.618<br>And, it&#8217;s kind of a strange one,<br>but I&#8217;ll use the same example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:43.618 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:47.238<br>So if I sat down with somebody and<br>they said, I wanna do a podcast,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:49.453 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:51.693<br>You know, I first<br>probably say, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:51.693 &#8211;&gt; 00:37:55.053<br>you realize the resources and<br>the time it&#8217;s gonna take, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:37:55.053 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:01.348<br>and you don&#8217;t need to spend<br>tons of it in the beginning. And then<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:01.348 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:05.793<br>I would ask them, why do you want<br>a podcast? Why do you want to do it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:07.343 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:13.818<br>I always this is really a silly example<br>but it gives you kind of the idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:13.878 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:15.958<br>So if I ask this person<br>and they said, well,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:15.958 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:18.938<br>I want a podcast because I like<br>the sound of my own voice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:19.403 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:21.243<br>Now that&#8217;s not really<br>a good reason.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:21.243 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:27.183<br>But if that&#8217;s his reason or her<br>reason, then I&#8217;d say, oh, okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:27.323 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:31.878<br>Well, if that&#8217;s your reason to<br>do it, go ahead and do it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:32.818 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:36.023<br>Then I would come back to<br>that person after, say,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:36.023 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:38.763<br>three months if they&#8217;re<br>still doing it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:39.623 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:43.323<br>And I would say, so I see<br>you&#8217;re still podcasting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:43.543 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:48.598<br>Do you still like to do it because<br>you like to hear the sound<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:48.598 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:53.953<br>of your own voice? And if that person<br>says, yeah. You know? I love it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:53.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:38:56.133<br>I love listening to my<br>voice all the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:38:56.913 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:00.408<br>Then they&#8217;re doing it for<br>the right reason because it&#8217;s what<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:00.408 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:03.448<br>drives them to continue to<br>do it. If they said, no.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:03.448 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:08.248<br>That was really a stupid idea, then<br>maybe you should rethink this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:08.248 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:13.683<br>So it&#8217;s always to me, it&#8217;s you know,<br>you&#8217;ve gotta just like everything,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:13.683 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:15.443<br>you gotta have<br>the resources and time,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:15.443 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:19.718<br>but you&#8217;ve gotta make sure<br>the reason you&#8217;re doing it is what<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:19.718 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:23.758<br>keeps you doing it. And that<br>never becomes, you know Okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:23.958 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:27.353<br>The dreaded part or you&#8217;re just<br>gonna start belaboring it and<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:27.353 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:31.353<br>you&#8217;re gonna make it, and it&#8217;s not gonna<br>turn out or or be good for anybody,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:31.353 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:36.018<br>you or your guests.<br>That&#8217;s very good advice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:36.018 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:38.278<br>And if I may reply<br>to that question.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:38.898 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:44.163<br>Actually, I was interviewed<br>quite a lot since January about<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:44.303 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:49.423<br>the GatherPress project and I<br>actually enjoyed to be in so many<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:49.423 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:51.283<br>conversations with<br>so many people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:51.578 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:55.498<br>I mentioned, Remkus, but I<br>was also with Michelle Frechette,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:55.978 &#8211;&gt; 00:39:58.058<br>with Mike from<br>the GatherPress project.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:39:58.058 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:01.863<br>We were interviewed by Michelle<br>Frechette on, WP Constellations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:02.643 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:07.623<br>Then I was in, KrautPress<br>with Simon Kraft, and others.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:07.923 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:12.798<br>And every time it also with,<br>Indystack, you know, many.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:12.938 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:21.013<br>So every time I say, oh, actually,<br>that was much less difficult than,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:21.413 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:26.313<br>that I would have thought. It<br>was just a conversation with a friend.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:26.798 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:30.558<br>Okay. It&#8217;s on video, but it would be<br>the same if we had talked about this,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:30.718 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:34.513<br>over at a drink or a caf\u00e9 at<br>at a WordCamp, you know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:34.513 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:36.453<br>So it it&#8217;s just,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:37.553 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:43.013<br>that nice feeling to talk with<br>a friend on a friendly conversation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:43.988 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:46.468<br>And that&#8217;s what<br>I liked the most,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:46.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:51.208<br>and I now know a lot of people<br>around the WordPress community.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:51.853 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:55.693<br>And I love to go to WordCamps<br>and especially WordCamp<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:55.693 &#8211;&gt; 00:40:58.273<br>Europe because people come<br>from all over the world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:40:58.413 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:02.168<br>And I never have an enough time<br>to talk with everyone and always<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:02.388 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:05.588<br>there is there are people that I<br>realize, oh, but they were there,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:05.588 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:08.788<br>you know, because they post on social<br>media. And I didn&#8217;t even see them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:08.788 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:14.583<br>So now we can have conversation<br>online and talk about things<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:14.583 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:16.683<br>that could be interesting<br>for other people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:17.288 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:23.608<br>So that&#8217;s why, this<br>idea came and, yeah,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:23.608 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:28.253<br>I if so I will follow your advice and<br>in three months ask myself Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:28.573 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:31.793<br>If still the same<br>reason. I mean,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:32.148 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:35.848<br>sometimes we have conversations that<br>could be really useful to others,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:35.908 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:39.428<br>and, I was mentioning<br>the language part.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:39.428 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:45.053<br>So that could be something that<br>is interesting, to other people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:46.233 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:47.673<br>There will be<br>another episode.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:47.673 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:50.178<br>Actually, it&#8217;s already recorded,<br>but it will come after you,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:50.178 &#8211;&gt; 00:41:56.918<br>so you still are the first. It was<br>with, a Spanish person.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:41:57.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:03.913<br>His name is Javi Guembe and he<br>started a project called WP Talk Link,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:04.213 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:09.408<br>and then you can find people<br>from the WordPress community to<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:09.408 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:11.888<br>to have a language buddy.<br>You know? Oh, yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:11.888 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:15.563<br>And with the list of people, and<br>you can improve other languages,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:16.583 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:19.623<br>talking with people.<br>So that was,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:20.183 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:22.838<br>that&#8217;s something that can<br>be useful to others.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:22.838 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:26.538<br>And I love to have something<br>that is useful to many.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:27.318 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:34.253<br>So what&#8217;s the best as a web show. I<br>I don&#8217;t call it podcast if it&#8217;s with video.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:34.253 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:39.233<br>I call it web show or Yeah. Until I<br>find a best name, a better name.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:40.093 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:43.718<br>But for now it&#8217;s, yeah. For<br>me, podcast is audio only.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:43.778 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:48.823<br>So it&#8217;s what you do, actually.<br>Yeah. And it&#8217;s very Yep. Sorry.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:49.043 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:51.363<br>Oh, I&#8217;m just gonna, say<br>it&#8217;s very you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:51.363 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:54.323<br>the conversational type podcast<br>like you were talking about,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:54.323 &#8211;&gt; 00:42:56.503<br>you found you really<br>enjoyed them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:42:57.308 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:01.788<br>On our podcast, I&#8217;d say probably<br>half the people have never<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:01.788 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:05.068<br>been on a podcast before, and<br>some of them come in very nervous<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:05.068 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:10.063<br>and very stressed. And at the end<br>of it, I would say, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:10.603 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:15.708<br>a large amount of those same people<br>say, wow, that was fun. It is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:15.708 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:17.168<br>It&#8217;s that relaxed<br>conversation,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:17.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:22.048<br>and that&#8217;s what&#8217;s important is<br>is getting everybody<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:22.108 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:24.973<br>in that zone of being<br>relaxed and just like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:24.973 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:27.793<br>you&#8217;re sitting and talking<br>with somebody at a WordCamp.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:27.933 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:31.773<br>And I think that&#8217;s huge<br>because a lot of them have gone<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:31.773 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:34.048<br>on to do other stuff<br>because they said, wow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:34.048 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:37.988<br>You know, I didn&#8217;t really know I<br>would enjoy this as much as I did.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:38.208 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:40.848<br>And just giving them the opportunity<br>and giving them a little<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:40.848 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:44.613<br>push and stuff really helps.<br>I was also nervous,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:44.673 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:47.333<br>and it&#8217;s becomes<br>easier and easier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:48.113 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:52.803<br>I&#8217;m the French translator and<br>voice for WordPress Podcast,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:53.908 &#8211;&gt; 00:43:59.448<br>that was started four years<br>ago now, by Javier Casares.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:43:59.508 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:04.683<br>It it was in Spanish only for three and<br>a half year and then he started to add,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:05.943 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:11.608<br>English. Then someone, a friend<br>of him and me now,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:13.028 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:16.648<br>started to do the voice and<br>translation and voice in Catalan,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:17.508 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:22.233<br>Josep Mor\u00e1n. And then, I said,<br>oh, then I could do the French.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:23.253 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:29.378<br>And, since we have more languages,<br>German and others are coming<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:30.308 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:31.648<br>even Esperanto.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:32.238 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:35.923<br>But I think that<br>also helped me,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:36.303 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:39.423<br>to feel more and more confident<br>doing that every every week,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:39.423 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:40.083<br>you know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:41.503 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:46.318<br>And if you ask me why and if it<br>is still enjoyable to do it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:46.318 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:49.528<br>yes, because I learn<br>everything that has been<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:49.528 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:53.783<br>done in the Make Teams for the week<br>the weekly news of the Make Teams.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:54.233 &#8211;&gt; 00:44:57.913<br>So, usually, I cannot follow<br>everything. You know? Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:44:57.913 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:01.928<br>Yeah. Really. Well, yeah, I&#8217;m<br>mostly in the Community Team,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:02.888 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:05.548<br>a little bit in the DEIB<br>group and Sustainability.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:06.008 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:12.293<br>But then, I learned what happens in<br>other teams, like core design themes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:13.553 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:18.113<br>So that&#8217;s really interesting because,<br>you know, I just translate,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:18.113 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:23.548<br>but this text is often about the new<br>features in, getting in the Gutenberg,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:24.168 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:28.428<br>plugin, that the features that<br>are going to be added to the next<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:29.273 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:33.213<br>major version of WordPress. So,<br>usually, I&#8217;m very curious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:34.393 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:38.073<br>I installed the Gutenberg<br>plugin to be able to test.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:38.073 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:42.648<br>Like, before 6.5, I wanted<br>it to have the typography features.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:42.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:47.388<br>And before 6.6, that is going<br>to be released now, next week.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:48.313 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:53.353<br>I wanted the Grid block,<br>so I guess it&#8217;s like yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:53.353 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:56.313<br>So it&#8217;s very, still I mean,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:56.313 &#8211;&gt; 00:45:59.798<br>I enjoy doing it because<br>I learn and I love to learn.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:45:59.798 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:03.638<br>And at the same time, it helped<br>me to become, more at ease with,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:04.278 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:06.723<br>microphone even if<br>the sound is still not.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:06.963 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:12.083<br>There&#8217;s always a shhh sound that I<br>need to learn about and improve.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:12.083 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:18.788<br>But, yeah, to be more at ease with my<br>voice and, you know, to not be nervous,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:19.648 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:23.728<br>like, oh my god. People are going<br>to hear my voice. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:23.728 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:27.823<br>So what? Yeah. And<br>for a lot of people,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:28.523 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:32.778<br>not being an English native is<br>also a problem because they I<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:32.858 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:34.378<br>I don&#8217;t know if you had<br>that on your show.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:34.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:36.298<br>People say oh, but<br>what about my accent?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:36.298 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:39.018<br>I don&#8217;t speak English well<br>and stuff like that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:39.018 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:43.933<br>And I want to inspire people to<br>to say that it&#8217;s not a problem<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:43.933 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:49.028<br>and you don&#8217;t need to be, ashamed,<br>at least to have a second language,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:49.028 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:51.288<br>you know, it means<br>that you learn it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:51.428 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:55.288<br>Yeah, you know, that&#8217;s<br>interesting because when I edit,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:55.348 &#8211;&gt; 00:46:59.143<br>a lot of people<br>that have, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:46:59.143 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:00.763<br>English isn&#8217;t their<br>first language.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:01.223 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:04.823<br>One of the things is I was<br>talking to somebody and said that<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:04.823 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:06.908<br>must take a lot of<br>editing. And I said, no.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:06.908 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:11.948<br>Really, it doesn&#8217;t because<br>there&#8217;s a certain nuance in that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:11.948 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:14.713<br>This is one of the things I love<br>about audio is when you listen<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:14.713 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:17.693<br>to audio and you&#8217;re not actually<br>looking at somebody talking<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:18.633 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:24.938<br>is when somebody is looking for a word<br>that they can&#8217;t quite you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:24.938 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:27.998<br>because, yeah, they don&#8217;t speak English.<br>It&#8217;s not their first language.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:28.938 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:38.193<br>Leaving in that process of discovering<br>that word shows the talent<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:38.193 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:40.513<br>they have on being able to<br>speak in that language.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:40.513 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:42.508<br>There&#8217;s something about,<br>So I wouldn&#8217;t you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:42.508 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:47.388<br>if they maybe repeat something a<br>couple three times, I don&#8217;t cut that out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:47.388 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:51.263<br>I leave it there because that<br>shows that they&#8217;re making that<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:51.263 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:54.063<br>effort to come on and<br>speak in English.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:54.063 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:55.503<br>And I&#8217;m to tell<br>you the truth,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:55.503 &#8211;&gt; 00:47:59.848<br>I&#8217;m constantly amazed when every<br>anybody from any other country<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:47:59.848 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:05.703<br>comes in on our show, and they&#8217;ll say,<br>well, my English isn&#8217;t perfect.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:05.763 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:10.003<br>I say, well, your English is<br>a lot perfect than if I tried to<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:10.003 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:13.178<br>speak your language and stuff. I<br>said, you&#8217;re doing a great job.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:13.178 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:16.058<br>Just relax and don&#8217;t worry<br>about so it there is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:16.058 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:20.218<br>There&#8217;s you gotta let people<br>work through it and not try to<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:20.218 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:23.003<br>make something perfect and let<br>them know it doesn&#8217;t have to<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:23.003 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:27.083<br>be perfect because people are<br>understanding. You know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:27.083 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:31.438<br>You&#8217;re making a huge<br>effort to do something that a lot<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:31.438 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:36.878<br>of people can&#8217;t do. So. And about that,<br>you are learning Portuguese right now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:36.878 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:40.103<br>Right? Oh, I&#8217;m not<br>even gonna try to talk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:40.103 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:44.203<br>The you know, I&#8217;m it&#8217;s<br>a little easier to understanding<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:44.263 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:48.368<br>than to speak. They have so<br>many weird little sounds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:48.428 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:51.548<br>I mean, they have sounds that<br>when I try to make those sounds,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:51.548 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:56.183<br>they don&#8217;t sound quite right.<br>They&#8217;re the word doesn&#8217;t come.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:56.323 &#8211;&gt; 00:48:58.163<br>So I&#8217;m slow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:48:58.163 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:03.863<br>It it&#8217;s a very, very slow<br>process and stuff, but people are very,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:05.988 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:08.388<br>what do I wanna<br>say? You know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:08.388 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:13.463<br>as long as you don&#8217;t expect anybody to<br>speak English, you get it figured out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:13.523 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:17.683<br>You know? And sometimes it&#8217;s just do<br>a little bit of back and forth and stuff,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:17.683 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:21.203<br>and you communicate<br>and stuff as long as you don&#8217;t<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:21.203 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:25.798<br>make that expectation on them.<br>And, so we&#8217;re doing well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:25.798 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:29.478<br>It&#8217;s gonna take us some<br>time. Let me tell you. No.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:29.478 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:33.243<br>I think people appreciate when people<br>are trying to make the effort.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:33.295 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:36.495<br>Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.<br>Yeah. That&#8217;s it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:36.505 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:39.920<br>It&#8217;s not important if you mistake,<br>like, masculine with feminine<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:39.960 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:44.920<br>Yeah. Yeah. That&#8217;s it. Or<br>conjugate correctly. It&#8217;s okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:46.088 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:52.233<br>And, once, there was an American<br>who told me I had a I mean,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:52.233 &#8211;&gt; 00:49:55.548<br>I said, what about my French accent?<br>And he said, oh, it&#8217;s charming.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:49:56.248 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:01.018<br>That&#8217;s good, It is charming. I<br>don&#8217;t event need to try to improve Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:01.848 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:05.593<br>Thank you. It was, Brian from<br>WP Sessions. Oh, okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:05.593 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:10.973<br>That was, nice to hear because,<br>yeah, I always you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:11.638 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:14.298<br>in the French speaking part<br>of Switzerland where I live,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:15.798 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:20.613<br>we&#8217;re a bit self conscious about<br>I mean some people, not everyone,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:20.833 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:24.533<br>about the Swiss accent when<br>we speak with, people in France.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:25.233 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:28.518<br>You know? There was a lot of<br>humorists when I was young.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:28.518 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:31.498<br>I remember one, he was always<br>making fun of the Swiss accent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:31.878 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:38.113<br>Yeah. That&#8217;s even I know<br>that some people just try to hide it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:38.653 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:42.173<br>and even myself at the six<br>months ago, like, more now,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:42.173 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:46.498<br>in October last year when I started<br>with WPpodcast translation,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:46.498 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:49.538<br>a WordPress Podcast.<br>And I said, okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:49.538 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:52.098<br>Do I try to speak like<br>someone from Paris,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:52.098 &#8211;&gt; 00:50:58.563<br>or do I keep my own Swiss Geneva<br>accent, which is a bit different?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:50:58.863 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:02.783<br>But at the same time, it<br>came back naturally. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:02.783 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:09.968<br>And also, It&#8217;s not, very much,<br>I mean, it&#8217;s not that strong.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:10.428 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:13.023<br>And in every region<br>of France, anyway,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:13.023 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:18.703<br>there are different accents per<br>region. So it&#8217;s just like another region.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:18.703 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:21.043<br>So. I love accents.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:21.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:27.138<br>I absolutely love I feel<br>bad if somebody loses it or<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:27.138 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:32.423<br>something because I think that<br>that brings that&#8217;s where<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:32.423 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:36.503<br>you&#8217;re from and stuff. And I<br>even when we do our show,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:36.503 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:41.078<br>I&#8217;ve only done a few of them where I let<br>them do it in their native language.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:41.698 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:43.378<br>I listened to<br>the entire show.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:43.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:47.773<br>I don&#8217;t understand a word they&#8217;re<br>saying, but the language,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:47.913 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:51.913<br>I just love listening to another<br>language because there&#8217;s some<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:52.153 &#8211;&gt; 00:51:57.978<br>I honestly believe after hearing many<br>languages, and I shouldn&#8217;t say this,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:51:57.978 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:01.838<br>but no wonder people I&#8217;m amazed<br>they learn English because<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:02.613 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:06.473<br>every other language sounds so much<br>more beautiful when I listen to it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:06.933 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:11.148<br>Yeah. Languages are beautiful,<br>but even English. Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:11.148 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:15.728<br>I like I love that as well. The,<br>like, the cultural richness it brings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:15.868 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:20.523<br>And, yes, I know the show<br>you are talking about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:20.523 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:24.523<br>You had three or four for now. Like<br>Yeah. Communities around the world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:24.523 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:30.138<br>Yeah. And, yeah that&#8217;s nice. You<br>had in Spanish, Dutch, Serbian?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:30.198 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:35.338<br>I think those are the three and or<br>did I do oh, and I did Portuguese.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:35.443 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:38.163<br>I did. Yeah. I did<br>one. But, yeah,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:38.163 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:41.523<br>I&#8217;m gonna I&#8217;ve been trying to<br>get some groups together to do<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:41.523 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:43.358<br>some more of those because<br>I really want Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:43.678 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:47.618<br>I really wanted to do the French one.<br>We have been talking about that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:47.998 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:51.138<br>But I wanted to bring people from<br>different countries together.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:51.863 &#8211;&gt; 00:52:55.863<br>And that was difficult to<br>have someone from<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:52:56.183 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:01.248<br>Canada and Belgium and at the same<br>time. You know? Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:01.248 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:05.668<br>I even reached out to someone in<br>Togo that, a Meetup organizer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:05.968 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:09.623<br>So let&#8217;s see. I would really<br>love to do that on your<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:09.623 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:14.423<br>show and maybe do a, like,<br>a collaboration between you and<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:14.423 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:17.808<br>your and mine that we could publish<br>at the same time also. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:17.808 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:19.408<br>Yeah. That&#8217;d be<br>great. Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:19.408 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:23.383<br>I will do that even if there&#8217;s<br>there are less people than I<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:23.383 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:26.423<br>initially thought.<br>Yeah. And yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:26.423 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:31.918<br>So, any other thing you want to<br>say or maybe do you have any<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:31.918 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:36.238<br>upcoming project or what<br>things that I mean,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:36.238 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:39.413<br>the future what is the future<br>like on your project side and<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:39.413 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:41.273<br>on WordPress side<br>in your opinion?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:41.813 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:45.013<br>You know, it&#8217;s for<br>my project, it&#8217;s just,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:45.653 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:49.708<br>we&#8217;re at a point where we have<br>twelve shows now for the podcast<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:49.708 &#8211;&gt; 00:53:53.408<br>channel and I think I&#8217;m, you know,<br>I&#8217;m pretty set at that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:53:53.408 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:00.013<br>We have a, you know, diverse topics.<br>So, covering a lot of things.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:01.273 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:04.288<br>I have a few other<br>things in work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:04.508 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:09.648<br>I&#8217;m going to be, adding my<br>blog back into the site.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:09.708 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:11.948<br>I&#8217;m looking<br>at some of this,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:12.428 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:17.073<br>metaverse stuff that&#8217;s going on that<br>I don&#8217;t still don&#8217;t understand,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:17.133 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:20.273<br>but, how to reach out more in<br>that, looking at some other,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:20.948 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:22.788<br>interesting search<br>stuff for the site.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:22.788 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:26.148<br>So there&#8217;s there are different<br>things project wise that we&#8217;re<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:26.148 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:28.068<br>just gonna grow<br>out, DotheWoo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:28.068 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:31.253<br>I&#8217;ve really focused<br>and zeroed in on that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:31.793 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:35.153<br>The project itself, I just,<br>yeah, I&#8217;m excited about it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:35.153 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:42.118<br>I just I&#8217;m getting a blog post<br>ready to put out in, in a while,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:42.178 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:45.318<br>and I call it, rethinking<br>the WordPress way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:46.003 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:50.083<br>And I it kind of it<br>encapsulates I mean, in a nutshell,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:50.083 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:55.718<br>it says what I think about<br>the future and now with WordPress.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:55.778 &#8211;&gt; 00:54:58.038<br>Everybody uses that term.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:54:58.098 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:02.438<br>The WordPress way is talking<br>about something we&#8217;re stuck on<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:03.133 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:05.773<br>and or it&#8217;s the old<br>way or you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:05.773 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:09.133<br>people and some people love it<br>and some people criticize it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:09.133 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:12.088<br>and it&#8217;s kind of is how<br>you perceive it yourself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:12.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:15.748<br>For me, the WordPress way,<br>I&#8217;m telling people,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:15.748 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:18.468<br>why don&#8217;t we think of it as<br>what&#8217;s happening right now and<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:18.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:22.473<br>what we&#8217;re doing moving forward? It&#8217;s<br>always gonna be the WordPress way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:22.473 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:25.933<br>Whatever we&#8217;re doing and whatever<br>we&#8217;re innovating and changing,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:26.473 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:29.948<br>let&#8217;s grasp that and call it<br>the WordPress way because that&#8217;s<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:30.248 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:34.488<br>really what it is. It&#8217;s how this<br>community and everybody that<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:34.488 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:36.488<br>contributes moves this<br>project forward.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:36.488 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:41.193<br>So, yeah, I&#8217;m always<br>excited about the progress,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:41.193 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:44.368<br>and I&#8217;m always excited<br>to see, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:44.368 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:46.628<br>all the people I&#8217;ve been<br>involved with, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:47.408 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:55.123<br>the DEIB as much as I&#8217;ve been able to<br>in the community teams on Slack.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:55:55.123 &#8211;&gt; 00:55:59.943<br>But, I don&#8217;t I&#8217;m not able<br>to contribute in that way,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:00.003 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:02.468<br>but I tried to do it through<br>the podcast and stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:02.468 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:07.588<br>And I&#8217;m just excited to, yeah, see<br>this community continue to grow,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:07.588 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:10.708<br>and I&#8217;m excited to see<br>getting some new faces.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:10.708 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:14.283<br>And we&#8217;re getting new faces<br>in here and there and stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:14.283 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:18.203<br>And it&#8217;s just, just yeah. You just<br>keep going, and that&#8217;s like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:18.203 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:20.843<br>like I said, that just keep<br>it the WordPress way,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:20.843 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:26.378<br>but make it not something set in<br>stone. It&#8217;s how we change. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:27.078 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:31.180<br>Do you have any idea of the<br>future of WordPress?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:31.180 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:34.013<br>What is your opinion on that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:34.013 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:36.928<br>You know, it&#8217;s really funny.<br>I&#8217;ve been asked that for years,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:36.948 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:43.598<br>and I always told some I always<br>tell them I don&#8217;t because<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:43.598 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:48.283<br>I really I don&#8217;t know if<br>it&#8217;s I don&#8217;t think so much.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:48.283 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:51.663<br>Well, I&#8217;m always thinking of, you<br>know, what&#8217;s gonna happen stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:52.283 &#8211;&gt; 00:56:56.448<br>I don&#8217;t really have any idea,<br>and that&#8217;s what I like about it,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:56:56.448 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:00.548<br>I think, is it&#8217;s<br>a bit unpredictable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:01.143 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:05.143<br>I mean, you never know what is going<br>to, you know, what twist and turn.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:05.143 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:06.843<br>I mean, there&#8217;s things<br>that are laid out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:07.063 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:13.018<br>So, you know, there&#8217;s a lot<br>of people that think, you know,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:13.018 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:16.378<br>things are a standstill, that<br>there&#8217;s too much change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:16.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:21.053<br>I just I&#8217;m somebody that<br>there&#8217;s two parts of WordPress.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:21.053 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:24.913<br>There&#8217;s a tool, which I leave<br>in the hands of all the people<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:25.058 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:27.378<br>that are really smart and<br>know what they&#8217;re doing,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:27.378 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:30.018<br>all these people that contribute<br>and put things together,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:30.018 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:34.038<br>and I don&#8217;t try to make it sound<br>like I have the answer for<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:34.233 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:36.653<br>what is being done or<br>what should be done.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:36.953 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:42.073<br>The community, I think it&#8217;s still here.<br>It&#8217;s still gonna grow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:42.073 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:44.138<br>You know, it&#8217;s<br>still gonna be here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:44.298 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:49.978<br>Hopefully, it&#8217;ll, even become more<br>diverse. Things will change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:49.978 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:51.678<br>You know? We&#8217;re always<br>gonna have challenges.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:52.193 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:54.533<br>So I kinda take it<br>a day at a time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:54.753 &#8211;&gt; 00:57:59.233<br>You know, I know it&#8217;s gonna be here for<br>a while, probably quite a long time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:57:59.233 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:04.518<br>What that looks like, I<br>absolutely have no idea. Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:05.778 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:09.798<br>During the Switzerland Community Day,<br>we had a 22 years old,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:10.098 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:12.713<br>person who is teaching<br>WordPress, I mean,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:12.933 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:15.833<br>she&#8217;s learning to be a teacher<br>or something like that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:16.133 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:20.233<br>And, with the question how to<br>attract the younger generation,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:21.178 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:25.018<br>she said it would be absolutely<br>a game changer if there were<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:25.018 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:30.573<br>more influencers on short video, like<br>TikTok and YouTube shorts<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:30.573 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:34.733<br>and Instagram, to talk about<br>WordPress like some, like,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:34.733 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:38.278<br>proprietary SaaS<br>platforms are doing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:38.278 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:42.458<br>They&#8217;re actually paying influencers<br>to talk about their platform.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:42.838 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:49.433<br>So maybe a bit of this one is going to<br>end on short videos if you are okay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:49.573 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:53.033<br>Yeah. Like, to promote. I will<br>try I will try it. You know?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:53.668 &#8211;&gt; 00:58:56.148<br>Like, yeah, promote<br>WordPress on,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:58:57.508 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:01.688<br>on the platforms where the younger<br>generation is. Yeah. Yes?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:02.123 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:05.083<br>So Yeah. Yeah. And I think<br>people need to do that and take<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:05.083 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:08.763<br>more advantage of it that are, you know,<br>already producing content and that,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:09.678 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:14.498<br>works to move into that and stuff.<br>Yeah. We just gotta, you know yep.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:14.558 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:17.778<br>We gotta Yeah. We gotta get it<br>out there and much as we can.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:18.003 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:21.923<br>So I will take, like, your<br>best sentences and best tips<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:21.923 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:26.388<br>from Bob and watch the full video<br>on, on long form or something.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:26.388 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:30.408<br>And, actually, it&#8217;ll attract people<br>to WordPress and not turn them away.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:31.028 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:36.643<br>No. No. No. No. Okay. So it has<br>been a pleasure to have you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:36.643 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:39.763<br>We are now at one hour,<br>so I think it&#8217;s, yeah,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:39.763 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:43.888<br>it&#8217;s very nice to see<br>you every time, in person,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:43.888 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:45.888<br>and it has been very<br>nice to have you this,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:46.528 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:50.423<br>with for this conversation<br>with you. Well, thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:50.483 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:55.283<br>Thank you to you and DotheWoo<br>dothewoo.com. Right? Yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:55.283 &#8211;&gt; 00:59:59.738<br>DotheWoo.io. Oh,<br>sorry. Yeah. DotheWoo.io.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>00:59:59.738 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:05.758<br>So I will, Actually, it we do own<br>DotheWoo.com too. So it&#8217;ll forward.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:06.353 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:09.653<br>Yeah. I think I<br>knew that. I mean,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:09.873 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:13.493<br>I was the dot com is like it<br>comes automatically. Oh, it is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:13.553 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:17.118<br>Right. Yeah. And all<br>the the past episodes, I,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:18.058 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:24.373<br>I encourage everyone to listen to,<br>like, some wiseness that we can find,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:25.073 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:26.993<br>wisdom. Sorry. That&#8217;s<br>the English word.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:26.993 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:29.873<br>The wisdom we can find in some<br>of the episodes and some of<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:29.873 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:33.858<br>the guests you had. So<br>thank you so much for everything<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:33.858 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:37.558<br>you do for the community, and thank<br>you so much for this conversation,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:37.618 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:40.893<br>Bob. Thank you. And it was<br>an absolute pleasure,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:41.273 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:43.993<br>kicking off your podcast<br>on the push first show.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:43.993 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:48.318<br>So I really appreciate the invite.<br>My pleasure. Thank you so much.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>01:00:48.538 &#8211;&gt; 01:00:50.158<br>Bye bye. 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